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@cregox I don’t understand what you mean. PHP is not changing licenses.

@phpc i mean, how come we don't have a fully free language yet?

perhaps php could become the first one?!

but if you find zero chance to change license, then it will not do.

freedom requires some amount of #harmonicchaos and half-redundant dynamic movement.

@cregox @phpc Switching to my personal account…

The PHP License is free & open source according to the OSI. See: opensource.org/licenses/PHP-3. (interestingly, I’m listed as the license contact 🙂).

By some definitions of freedom, PHP is more free than AGPL software because AGPL places more restrictions on what you can do with your modifications to the software. Indeed, if PHP switched to AGPL, fewer people would be able to use PHP.

If we changed the license to anything, it would probably be to MIT.

@ramsey @phpc yeah, defining freedom ain't an easy task. and defining it in legal terms makes it even harder!

+ having more people able to use it means it offers more freedom?

+ having less legal restrictions brings more freedom?

+ should we even strive for more freedom at all costs?

agpl3+ enforces the code to get freely shared the most (in other words, make it wide open), and that freedom comes at the cost of people being less free to choose to close the source code.

too many people fear opening up the code so much, as they believe secrets must be kept in favour of their market advantage. and so basically all big corps end up forbidding such "code freedom" through agpl3.

we sure could use better vocabulary and language to make such communications easier.

@cregox Corporations won't adopt a programming language that could potentially require all their proprietary code to be opened to the world because they linked against it. You'll never see an AGPL3 programming language gain wide adoption outside of academia and the non-profit sector. It's way too risky for the corporate sector. Most companies have policies against using any GPL libraries in their products.

@ramsey huh?! i never seen any agpl programming language, period! 🤣

but you mixed up fact-attempts (do you have any data?) with guesses... i will only give my guesses: indeed, i agree most companies must have policies against agpl, and perhaps even gpl as you said.

but saying "it is too risky" constitutes pure speculation. except that, indeed, the same companies must speculate that as well.

anyway,
sorry for bringing up my utopian wish as a response in the first place.

i will quit this otherwise interesting conversation for now, while we just give our weird world view guesses! 🤣😘

@cregox all of this is pure speculation without court decisions

@ramsey still curious to hear about those agpl languages! 😁

@cregox I never said there were any AGPL programming languages.

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