Tangentially, the idea of a completely non-supernaturalist, humanist "Church of Mary" whose basic premise is "Mary was a badass for saving herself, and her son was a badass for flipping tables and stuff" sounds awsome and metal af.
@dalias What did Mary save herself from?
@cxj Punishment for being pregnant except by one's husband.
@dalias Ah. Thank you. Sometime my brain struggles to grasp even the obvious.